Larsen: But you also get the feeling that botany gave him a way to make sense of the world, and of humans' place within it. Okay. So I ham the Chicago accent up a little bit and put on this character of a geriatric, you know, extroverted, really turned-up loudmouth West Side Italian because my familys Italian, thats mostly what I know, just to make it funny and whatever. Especially young, sick or injured wildlife. What did you think when you saw that video went viral? I want to learn how this stuff works. (Face-to-face, the 37-year-old Santore softens his accent to about 8.) The video, he said, is from late June when he was in small Siskiyou County, California, in the northern part of the state. I called them and they said they could take her and everything, but she had already passed away in the night. You got the damn opposite leaves looking at it. "I'm stuffing envelopes right now," he told me from his home in West Oakland. Santore: They planted a lot of these roses, which are dying and they planted a bunch of trees that are native to the Eastern U.S. Thats cute, you think youre tough. Santore: Oh, what's going on here? Santore: You got your coryphantha, you know, and it all just coming up in the dappled light, the understory of, of the thorn scrub, which of course is getting cleared away at an increasing rate to make room for the fucking Panda express uh, tumor of modern society. This rekindled his love for the sciences, but it wasn't until he found a used astronomy textbook that he really started to get obsessed. Just imagining the possibilities of like planting something that would get bigger or, you know, dwarf your lifetime and your physical size. Guy with thick chicago accent helps coyote pup pic.twitter.com/RJB9sqkrxl. Were gonna need this kind of awareness of ourselves in the world to be able to deal with it., Video 1: Santoree Youtube ChannelVideo 2: Interview. It starts with Joey on a rideshare e-scooter that a friend of his had hacked using some kind of computer chip he bought online. I mean, she almost certainly would have died she was underweight and she had mucus in her nose and eyes but maybe she would have been food for something else. This interview has been edited and condensed for clarity. I wasnt going to be able to make it there that day, so I figured I would take it Monday. Which brings us to a big question: If Joey can get thousands of people invested in the fate of a scraggly weed, what kind of impact can he have on science and conservation at large? But when you hear him talk about what drew him to the science, you get the sense that Joey turned to plants because he was sick of humans. What he's talking about, if he's speaking directly to you. And that's why he's lovingly bullying it out of the road, just like he did that rattlesnake. No, it's not like that. But she was covered in fleas and ticks and mites and also had some nasal discharge. Last fall, two very different approaches to addressing climate change unfolded in the Bay Area. A lot of folks think that coyotes in particular are purely nocturnal or even crepuscular, which is like dawn, dusk, night. Joey was interested in science and growing things from an early age: he recalls trips to the Field Museum and propagating elm trees in his backyard. Most important is the Garfield Park Conservatory, which is free and features plants from all over the world. Look at that beautiful bastard, not flowering yet may not flower this year at all. Joey is standing in the middle of a road in Central California, filming with his phone as he has a heart-to-heart with a very distressed looking Northern Pacific rattlesnake. He went on to say that his friend who works at a wildlife rehab facility told him to keep the coyote in a cool, dark and quiet place and try to give it some food and water. I guess I view all those videos as kind of a long-running piece of sketch comedy. It's totally fascinating stuff, man. When it comes to wildlife rehabilitation for coyotes, its extremely challenging for coyote pups, she says. I kind of joke humans have like the king might've shit touch, you know, everywhere we go, even if the intent is good, there's enough of us. Some of his trees are now over 30 feet tall! Larsen: Joey made "Guide to Illegal Tree Planting" when he was living in Oakland, California, where a project to enhance the extra-wide median of parkway left him a bit uninspired. I don't know why you're taking that kind of stance with me. I have a friend that works at a wildlife rehab, and she told me it was good to keep it in a quiet, calm place, so I kept it in the basement. Shh, its ok. Im not gonna f with you. Might just be cooking up carbs, storing it in that tuber and then going dormant for a while. Joey is extremely interested in natural evolutionary adaptation, observing how plants evolved into different forms and determining how and why each one got to be exactly where they are. (Picture by Jesse Will) I known as Joey Santore simply as he'd returned from a botanizing journey to South Africa. And it clearly has a special place in Joey's heart, based on a t-shirt he sells. Larsen: Jesse's assignment was to cover Joey's search for a local plant called lophophora williamsii: otherwise known as peyote. Will: But it ends up just being a very minor part of the day, hunting down this peyote. A knowledge of the relationships between living things and how we have all evolved to survive over time is a coping mechanism and a glimmer of hope in the age of increasingly dire predictions about the progress and effects of climate change. I would just be going [to school] to learn this stuff rather than get that piece of paper and thats kind of the whole idea behind the Crime Pays But Botany Doesnt thing. And they did find some. And maybe they'll look at the plants in their backyard in a different way, or maybe they'll yank out some of those plants and replant something. Larsen: Riding the rails, he got an up-close tour of the geologic time scale exposed by railroad cuts: layers of rock dating back millennia. and the majority of the day, we're looking for this rare milkweed Asclepias prostrata. I obviously don't talk like that in real life I got an accent, but I don't talk like that. But he also had this aside at the time, that was like, I get it, yeah of course you had to pitch the psychedelic angle. Nowadays he films the trips he takes in search of some of the rarest plants on the planet. Santore: The way my mind works, I just obsessed on fix that on something I probably got fucking add or some sort of neurological disorder, you know, that at one point served our species of evolutionary benefit. Is there anything you miss about living in Chicago? You know, and I kind of like seeing trees. Joey was born in Chicago and yet --. I just don't think what you're doing is safe behavior. And around that time I hired out with the railroad, where I got a locomotive license. I wasnt able to make it there that day so I decided I would bring it there the next morning. A few months ago, Outside dispatched Jesse Will to tag along with Joey on a field trip to the backroads of South Texas. It's an idea of the bigger picture, you know, instead of this human myopia, where I'm just I'm just concerned about, I view everything through the lens of my own life. Santore: I like the ambiance of railroads. Will: When you speak to them in person that accent gets dialed way back down. Maren Larsen (host): From Outside magazine, this is the Outside podcast. I thought, "Oh, shit!" Guerrilla gardener Joey Santore has planted more than 300 trees, encouraging a new appreciation of our habitatand one another. So I put all this narration through this voice of a 50-year-old Chicago mook from the West Side. Think Dan Aykroyd in The Blues Brothers dialed to 11. The main plus-side to any of this viral stuff is that maybe it'll encourage more people to look at the world like that. Who discovered botany? Right now Im in Sonora, Arizona. All right, not that quietly. Will: Every academic botanist that I talked to was super stoked on his work. Santore is a self-taught botanist and former freight train driver in Oakland, California who believes the natural world can be a balm for modern anxieties caused by climate change and Capitalism. Maybe I should have just left her alone. Larsen: Joey Santore's path to becoming an unlikely YouTube star really is one of the most winding journeys you could imagine. It was about 2 p.m. and hot out and coyotes, I rarely see them out during the day. Luckily, it seems like most of the comments have been from these middle-aged women in the middle of the country who just love seeing this cute pupgetting a bath. And this is a problem. I'm a writer and photographer living in downtown Berkeley, California. After hearing Joey talk about milkweed, I'm personally in the mood to go plant a whole shit ton of it maybe even in places where I'm not supposed to. but I think there's other things happening there it's like in this time that we're in, which is like pretty, anti-science he's getting across these scientific ideas by not sounding like he's shouting at you from the ivory tower, right? Trees that can hack it without pruning and summer watering. Every time it feels like an apocalyptic story with this plant. If it gets people to hate coyotes a little less and not demonize them, I'm down with it. You know, and I just dont want to get bitten. It was nothing personal, but I rejected them all unless we had mutual friends. When I was a kid, a lot of my friends had dads like that. A moment later we see the coyote in the footwell of the mans truck, frozen in place: [Newest rescued sea otter pups make their fuzzy debuts at Shedd], I just seen a tick jump ship, which means that eeder theres some sorta problem with your blood flow or da tick itself thinks you dont stand a chance, but Im gonna see that you have a chance. Touch device users, explore by touch or with swipe gestures. Joey Santore, 36, never expected to get famous for posting videos about nature. Larsen: Asclepias prostrata is just one species, native to one relatively small ecosystem. Join Outside+ to get Outside magazine, access to exclusive content, 1,000s of training plans, and more. I'm not trying to harass you. However, the downtime has allowed him to post more videos about botanizing the Bay Area. It's a giant a part of how I make my cash." Santore has a whole bunch [] Sorry. Santore: And then I realized, I didn't know anything about the country I lived in and it was a big ass country, so why not travel? Suddenly I'm able to zoom out and see how the world around me works and how I fit into it and, and observe these relationships that different organisms have with each other. Santore is turned on to the outdoors because hes turned off by everything else. Sorry. I got [the coyote pup] Saturday and I was going to take it Monday on my way back down south to Oakland because I was in northern California, he told TIME. The 23-minute videoreleased the week before the murals revealis the work of a tattooed, foulmouthed Chicago transplant who for the past few years has been quietly greening up Oakland. I am trying to find this guy to invite him to Santa Barbara. I asked what he thought about the video going viral. Joey travels around the world and takes you on plant walks, with "colorful" commentary. One Atmosphere commissioned a 60-by-30-foot mural of climate activist Greta Thunberg for San Franciscos Union Square. I want to inspire people to look at the world differently, he says. You need help! Riding the rails, he got an up-close tour of the geologic time scale exposed by railroad cuts: layers of rock dating back millennia. I first learned about Joey a few years ago, in a video titled "Guide to Illegal Tree Planting," which was sent my way by a friend familiar with my affinity for both botany and what's known as "guerilla gardening." As it happens, the particular species of milkweed that Joey wants to find here in South Texas is especially rare. When Joey Santore went searching for a biological "origin story" of sorts, he stumbled into the world of botany. We dont value anything geologically or botanically unless it has a direct benefit for us., A Life Cleanse in the Waters of Desert Hot Springs. So I did that and I got her to eat a little bit, he says. and he says that accent as a joke, like it just makes him laugh. You gotta go to a rehab facility or sometin You need help, you know? A botanist is just someone who studies plants, which is what I doI do it solely because I want to learn.. I want to share themand [talk about] what a tragedy it is that people don't know this stuff is here. The Outside Podcast is made possible by our Outside+ members. Plants, Redwing boots, dogs. I try to always encourage people to download Wikipedia andiNaturalistonto their phones as a resource. Because what better way to understand the guy who created "Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't" than to join him on a hunt for a plant that's a schedule 1 controlled drug? There's something to be said for keeping something like this around, you know, it's, it's a part of this, this interwoven fabric that supports it, supports the life that's been here for millions of years and is part of the bigger picture. That's just my personal take. He hadn't cooled off by Monday. I would be a lot more angry of a person if I didn't have this. And then a few years later I went back and took some classes, a geology class, an oceanography class and a biology class. One single rock can tie a person back to the event in which that rock was created, whether it was a volcanic eruption 20 million years ago or the gradual deposition ofsediments in an ocean 400 million years ago. countries. This episode was brought to you by Mississippi, a wonderland for outdoor adventurers. It's doing pretty good. You can see the full 3 minute video (which includes some post-flea bath footage) on the Caters Clips YouTube Channel, which posted it July 5. A low-brow, crass approach to plant ecology as muttered by a misanthropic Chicago Italian. You gotta, you gotta peyote, a peyote, a lophophora, whole shit tons of peyotes. Take it easy, buddy. During an AFC wild-card . The Thick Chicago Accent Guy Addresses the Sad Fate of the Coyote Pup From the Video. I want to get more people excited about it, because theres a lot of dark (crud) coming our way. Larsen: Using a stick that does not seem nearly long enough to me, Joey herds the snake out of harm's way as it flicks its tongue ominously, seeming to tolerate -- just barely -- this loud, swearing man trying to save it. Larsen: Which is to say: sometimes what it takes to get us to give a shit about the natural world is a foul-mouthed amateur scientist. Tony Santoro is the online alias of West Oakland resident Joey Santore, whose YouTube channel Crime Pays but Botany Doesnt is a rebuff to conventional nature documentaries. You can plant this thing that would outlive you and maybe destroy the sidewalk," says Oakland resident Joey Santore, whose viral video " Tony Santoro's Guide to Illegal Tree-Planting " playfully documents his subversive efforts to reforest his neighborhood. I remember reading about spectroscopy there and that was what really blew my mind was how you could take the light that's reflected off of a star or a planet and put it through a prism and then you'd get a spectral signature of whatever the atmosphere was composed of or whatever the star was composed of. I was like, I feel like an ignoramus. Oh, what's going on here? The biggest population of it keeps repeatedly getting cleared by a well-intended, albeit somewhat oblivious, road grader. You got a fuzzy stem, you got a fuzzy stem. You can read Jesse's story on Outside Online. interface language. He played college football at Ohio State and was selected third overall by the (then San Diego) Chargers in the 2016 NFL Draft, where he was named NFL Defensive Rookie . He's shooting the shit. Joey took matters into his own hands and began slowly replacing the non-native, water-sucking ornamentals the city installed with an assortment of plants he grew himself from seed. Magazines, Or create a free account to access more articles, 'It Just Kind of Struck Me.' You can follow Joey Santore on his YouTube channel, Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't, or on his instagram and podcast of the same name. I'm Joey Santore: a Connecticut-born, Brooklyn-living, nonprofit-working, cooking-loving, playlist-making, lucid-dreaming, karate-coaching, twenty-something. Do you have any favorite hikes or excursions you recommend in the Chicago area? Santore: I thought you was a gopher snake at first. I mean, on some level it looks, it looks like a weed. There's enough cat videos and cute videos with corny narratives. [upbeat . We don't know what would happen if it disappeared completely, but Joey says that he doesn't want to find out. Los Angeles Chargers defensive end Joey Bosa wasn't happy with the officials on Saturday night. I buried her in the backyard at the house I was staying at, and then the next day when I was at work, it just kind of struck me.. You have reached your limit of 4 free articles. We don't get that here. We join Santore on a peyote hunt in the South Texas scrublands to try to understand how hes getting so many different kinds of people to geek out on plants. But many thrive, and some of his earliest plantings are now impressive specimens. Joey Santore holds his cell phone, widescreen-style, in his fingers, one of which is tattooed with a ruler's hash marks. I impersonate these Chicago characters as a joke to make the subject material more interesting, he says. A few years ago I wrote about the Chicago accent and its near total disappearance from TV and film, though you can still reliably hear it on the radio: WXRTs Marty Lennartz has been doing his Going to the Show with a Regular Guy movie reviews since 1984; like Santore, he has a Chicago accent but its not nearly as thick as the one he uses in character. It's everyone from dope growers to amateur science geeks to viewers who just stumbled onto his YouTube. Will: It's a real weird cross section of people that are watching this stuff, it's like people that are propagating weed and they got like maybe a little bit more interested in plants than just weed, you know, they want to know more about it. Santore: So I found this astronomy textbook and then was reading it on a train once. Many of those unauthorized trees now are more than 30 feet tall. Come along. You gotta, you gotta peyote, a peyote, a lophophora, whole shit tons of peyotes. And, and when I talked to him on the phone, he's he's like, yeah, I know where some populations of that are, you know, I'm going to go look for some new ones. It was recently proposed for the Endangered Species list, and is only observed a few dozen times a year in a handful of locations near the Rio Grande. Asclepias prostrata is just one species, native to one relatively small ecosystem. His priority is making habitats, not only leaves and pretty flowers. and see what grows around you and then just start learning plants by family and genus, which is how they're all grouped together. Phone service was spotty so he sent a voice memo back "This is going to be a lot easier than typing with my thumbs on a smartphone, which is really a seventh layer of hell for me (we later connected by phone) answering my questions about the video and the fate of the coyote. And despite his cynical-seeming exterior, Joey finds beauty in all of this, too. He's shooting the shit. It appears that he observed a potentially orphaned coyote pup in poor condition so he was trying to obtain this animal and then transfer it to a wildlife rehabilitator., But Monroe says that his approach presents some challenges. But on the other hand, the sad part of the story is that the thing died before I was able to get it to a rehab center. Santore: It's, it's like this, recently born into consciousness, species of primate is now able to figure out the world, dissect the world around it and figure out how it fits in. And especially where we are now as a species with our understanding of science and the world and all this technology that we have. Maybe all this explains why his YouTube channel, Crime Pays But Botany Doesnt, has more than a quarter-million subscribers. Santore, who hails from West Oakland, is YouTube's botany- and profanity-loving phenom by Robert Langellier July 11, 2022 Share This: Botanist Joey Santore. Its like get a side hustle and then use it to fund your pursuit of knowledge in the world and be able to share that with others, he explains. Specifically, trees. So maybe it'll be okay. Perhaps because the accent (and its attendant colloquialisms) has become such a rarity, when it does turn up in a piece of media, people notice which could be one of the reasons why the coyote video has generated so much attention. He now works as a freight train driver in Oakland, where he frequently makes trips into the wilderness in search of native plants. Amidst mild profanity, general irreverence and a thick Chicago accent, Joey examines plant life and the nature of the rocks and soil they grow on, as . I grew up hearin people talk like dat. What do you hope viewers take away from your channel? I ended up bringing it to the house I was staying at about 15 miles away and called around for wildlife rescue and the nearest one was about a 2 hour drive south. Just to get more voices into the fold to invite more people to care about this stuff, because any interest that they get is, is a good thing. First he delved into various sciences and then focused, increasingly, on botany. Well, first off, I'm not really trying to create YouTube fluff. Consider this your heads-up that there are going to be quite a few curse words in this episode. it's still there. Joey Santore, based in Oakland, California, specializing in Cupressaceae, currently studying native California Cypresses. Jesse's assignment was to cover Joey's search for a local plant called lophophora williamsii: otherwise known as peyote. Joey Santore, 36, never expected to get famous for posting videos about nature. I mean, on some level it looks, it looks like a weed. Then, in 2012, he officially appropriated space in the park for rare trees, including Baker, Tecate, Santa Cruz, and Guadalupe cypresses, along with lodgepole pines, coast (aka California) evergreen live oaks, and incense cedars. it's still there. He tried going to college, but while he enjoyed learning, it seemed like a waste of time and money since he didn't yet know what he wanted to do. You got to get out of the road. I went out and bought some of these books that you recommended and I'm learning so much. That's what really makes it worth it gettingpeople excited about learning and the natural world, which is the antidote to all the ugliness and stress and anxiety of the human world. And when its fur was wet, I realized how skinny this thing was. I've had everyone from teenagers to suburban dads tell me, Hey, I saw your page. If you like what we do here, please support our work on an ongoing basis. He started growing rare conifers from seed. To find enough real estate to survive, these prostrata often end up finding their home in the middle of the road. Nothing major, but a shovel takes two arms. It starts in Chicago, where he was raised by a single mother who was an elementary school teacher. And I have no context for anything outside of it. Uh, where you get summer rain. You have to reach almost a critical mass, like a minimum number of coyote pups of similar age in a rehab situation to rear so that way theyre positioned for success when you release. Painted on the side of an eight-story building, the fiery teenager looks determined and unbowed, gazing down at pedestrians and traffic with eyes the size of windscreens. Among Santores fans are plant geeks, outdoor enthusiasts, and cannabis growers who were worm-holed into Santores channel while looking up plant propagation. He is an ex-punk and a former freight train engineer who has been self-taught in his field. I don't know, six or seven years give or take. [Outside the city], there's Wolf Road Prairie, [plus] a couple prairies down in Markham. It's a real weird cross section of people that are watching this stuff, it's like people that are propagating weed and they got like maybe a little bit more interested in plants than just weed, you know, they want to know more about it. I was out in the country and the nearest rehab center was, like, two hours away, and they weren't open the day I got it. It's kind of funny. This plant has adapted to lie dormant in its underground rhizome for years until conditions are right. Also, we're offering new members a 25% discount. Larsen: Off the clock, Joey began growing rare conifers from seed. Personal Quotes (3) I just want people to take a closer look at the nonhuman world and ask more questions. Drawings 2019 - 2021; 2010-18; 2005-09; 1995-2004; 1990-94; 1983-88 . Now based in Oakland, California, he was in Arizona on a botany trip when I reached him by email. Obviously the accents canned, he said. There's little nuances of social mannerisms that I miss about Chicago, like that voice I channel on the YouTube page. So its mostly a joke, because most science communication is dry and boring. His videos may be popular with kids who are budding botanists. Joey: You know, and I kind of like seeing trees. Larsen: Oh, yeah, there we go. A shantytown of homeless people has sprung up adjacent to the neighborhood where hes been doing much of his planting. Add to that the threat of invasive buffelgrass, which is fast outcompeting this important little weed. It makes sense. I'm getting welcome to Mexico texts, were so close to the border. And then, uh, of course these are a couple of mine as well. So a lot of them just kind of look like shit, right. An ex-punk and former train engineer who is self-taught in the sciences, Joey Santore does not fit the mold of the stereotypical botanist. 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